Jeff got into the points and miles game in 2010 and since then has visited over 35 countries, flying mostly in first and business class. He’s a contributor to Traveling Dad and has spoken at the Chica...
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Mike
April 19, 2018
Jeff, thank you for this useful summary! I want to clarify two issues. I don’t think you get 15,000 bonus miles with 60,000 point transfers to airlines unless Marriott has increased the bonus by 10,000 miles. I believe it stays the same at a 5,000 mile bonus. Also, other blogger state that the credit card yearly certificates are good for 35,000 point rooms. You said 25,000 point rooms. Which is it? Thanks!
Jeff Brownson
April 19, 2018
Mike, my apologies if I presented that in a confusing way. Technically, you get a 15,000 point bonus, which is then transferred to your airline of choice at the 3:1 transfer ratio, resulting in 5,000 additional miles. It ends up as 25,000 miles for every 60,000 points transferred.
As far as the credit card yearly certificates, it depends on which card you get. Basically, the higher annual fee will get you a higher annual certificate. Amex cards will give you either a 50,000 point max room or a 35,000 point max room depending on the card and the Chase cards will give you either a 35,000 point room or a 25,000 point room depending on the card.
Dan
April 19, 2018
It appears that even if you attain platinum elite with $75,000 spend, you are not eligible for the annual choice benefit if you stay less than 50 nights. Am I interpreting the table correctly? Thanks
Jeff Brownson
April 19, 2018
Yes, that is the way I interpret that as well. If you do not actually stay 50 nights (or 75 for the next level), you will not receive the Choice Benefit. In reality, they might give you the benefit when you reach platinum because their system may send it out with status level, but the fact that they have specifically stated that it will be “Awarded with 50 qualifying nights” makes me think you will need to actually stay the nights and not just get the status from spend.
Ryan
April 21, 2018
Hello,
Thanks for the info! Where has it been confirmed that “In the new combined program, members will still have the ability to transfer points to their family members for free.” Right now, we can freely transfer from one SPG account to a family member’s SPG account, but Marriott has a 50K limit and charges a fee to do so. Did you see confirmation somewhere that Marriott will basically follow the current SPG policy? I couldn’t find that anywhere else.
Jeff Brownson
April 26, 2018
Sorry for the delayed reply Ryan. I needed to locate my source for that particular piece of information and it wasn’t as easy as I thought. I pulled the information for this post from a lot of difference places. The ability to transfer points between family members for free was actually shared in the Facebook Live session that The Points Guy did with David Flueck from Marriott. I don’t know of anywhere that it is written into the terms of the program yet though.
John Mann
May 07, 2018
Question for you Jeff.
I’m a current SPG Platinum with 233 lifetime stays. I made platinum in 2014 and every year since. So far in 2018 I’m at 27 nights.
Two questions related to attaining SPG Lifetime Gold before August 1
– Because I currently hold elite status, does ’14, ’15, 16′, 17′ and 18′ count as 5 years?
– If I accelerate a couple stays and get to 250 nights by August 1, will I qualify for lifetime gold and then be grandfathered in?
Cheers.
Jeff Brownson
May 14, 2018
John,
As long as you have had Gold status or higher for those 5 years (which it looks like you have), then they will count for your SPG lifetime qualification at the Gold level.
As long as you reach the 250 nights before August 1st, you will qualify for SPG Lifetime Gold, which will then transfer over to Lifetime Gold in the combined program. It would definitely be in your best interest to get those stays in if you can, since earning Lifetime Gold in the new program will require 400 nights and 7 years of elite status if you don’t previously have Lifetime Elite in SPG or Marriott that transfers in on August 1st.
Will
May 21, 2018
When does the 15 nights actually kick in, 8/1 or at the beginning of the year? I understand I already received 5 from my Amex SPG card. If I have 5 nights at Marriott and 35 at SPG on 8/1 will I attain platinum for next year or will I only get the bonus nights starting in 2019? Thanks!!!
Jeff Brownson
May 21, 2018
It is my understanding from the credit card details that the 15 nights will only be credited beginning in January. Unfortunately, you won’t be able to count on them to reach a higher status this year.
Mike Renna
May 30, 2018
Thanks for all this info! Lots to digest! We’ve been getting points mostly through credit card spend. Yes, nice to be able to move points between family members to consolidate under 1 persons account. With the merger, maybe the few hundred points in the different family member SPG accounts will get over the 1000 family transfer minimum and they won’t get lost (ie if you have more than 333 points in SPG, you can’t move to a family member and can’t move to your Marriott account… but when they move them over to each of our marriott accounts, then that’ll be >1,000 and can be swept to the 1 family member account (at least I think this is right… you’d know better,certainly : )
A question: We’re looking to take a trip in Arizona area in October 2018. Any thoughts on this: We could book hotel before Aug under the current points schedule, then see after august if we could rebook under the new point levels if the points needed will go down? Would you think off peak / peak / standard dates going to be posted? That would vary for each location, right?
Thank you again!!
Jeff Brownson
May 31, 2018
Mike, as long as you have the points, you might as well book now. Just make sure you can cancel the reservation if you are concerned about the rates changing. As far as peak rates, they will not be going live until 2019, so you won’t have to worry about those for your October reservation this year. When they do go live, peak rates will absolutely vary by location and probably even by each specific hotel in a given region. We don’t know for sure how much rates will vary at peak times. Plenty of info still to come from Marriott. Enjoy Arizona!
Luc B
June 04, 2018
Do you know if transfer between family members will be capped ? With SPG there is no cap in points transfer while with Marriott there is a maximum annual of 50,000 points.
Jeff Brownson
June 04, 2018
As far as I know, they have not provided any details on the family transfers other than that they will be available. Hopefully it will be uncapped like SPG is now.
TJ
June 16, 2018
Since Ritz Carlton elite members get equal match status into SPG and Rewards, do SPG and Rewards elite members get the same courtesy back? Understanding that the concierge lounge service is a bit more higher end in a Ritz than SPG or Marriott, but giving Ritz concierge lounge access to Platinum Elite members would be a nice perk to have. I haven’t been able to find any specific information in regards to a Ritz Carlton benefits match.
Steven H
June 18, 2018
Jeff, I am tryin to wrap my head around elite qualification in 2018. I was trying to hit Platinum status under the current SPG rules through stays instead of nights. In SPG, you could do this with 25 stays. I need 12 more stays to qualify for Platinum in 2018 under the old rules. Do I need to complete those 12 stays before August 1, 2018 or before January 1, 2019? (I realize that next year I won’t qualify this way but trying to get one last hoorah in before the jig is up.) Thank you.
Christine Krzyszton
June 18, 2018
I just received an email from SPG with the following information that answers your question: “As an SPG member, you can still count stays at SPG-associated brands to achieve Elite status through the end of 2018. Starting January 2019, only nights will count toward Elite status. And remember, you can qualify for Lifetime Elite status via the existing criteria through December 31, 2018.”
Mike msrney
June 23, 2018
My wife and I both have 800 lifetime marriott stays but we are both 150,000 short of the 2 million points and will be really close by end of year but will miss if points stop August 1st. So we would remain gold for life or need five more platinum years to get premier for life????
Michael McHugh
June 29, 2018
Hi Mike
First, I would call Marriott to confirm what I’m about to say as its a fluid situation. I would hate for your to miss out on Lifetime status because I misunderstood the terms and conditions.
With that said, you will have until 12/31/18 to earn the 2 million points needed to reach Marriott Lifetime Platinum (750 nights + 2M points). Marriott Lifetime Platinum will be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite in the new program.
Please let us know what you hear from Marriott.
Adnan
July 10, 2018
I’ve Ritz Carlton card and I’m Gold elite status in Marriott so after merger what status would I get?
I read some where that after August no more breakfast and lounge access to Gold elite members.
Jeff Brownson
July 11, 2018
Hey Adnan, as you can see in the chart in the post, your Marriott Gold status will transfer to Platinum status in the new program. Breakfast and Lounge Access will not be available for Gold elites in the new program, but they are available to Platinum elites (depending on brand). Since your current Gold will turn into Platinum, you should still have those benefits.
John
July 27, 2018
Hi
Thank you for your summary.
2 questions:
1) I am on the way to reach 100 SPG nights by October this year. In the old program that would have meant “Platinum with Ambassador”. Is that still possible within 2018 as kind of a grandfather right as SPG member. Or will I need to qualify as well for the 20kUSD to reach Ambassador level?
2) Do you think it is an error that the free breakfast benefit is NOT offered at JW Marriott / Marriott / Delta HOTELS but IS OFFERED at JW Marriott / Marriott / Delta RESORTS.
That does not really make sense to me.
Best regards
John
John
July 27, 2018
Platinum Welcome Gift options – points options is less worth than within SPG
Do I see this right: Under SPG a platinum member would receive 500 SPG points at Sheraton, Westin and other upscale properties whereas in the new program it will be only 1000 new points (which equals 333 SPG points)?
And an add-on to my other “free breakfast” related question. As pointed out, the published table seems kind of not logic if you receive free breakfast at Marriott RESORTS but not Marriott HOTELS. In the very same table there is no “dot” in the breakfast column when it comes to Courtyard hotels. However at the bottom of the information page of Marriott there is the following statement “A breakfast offering is new for Courtyard, AC Hotels by Marriott, Moxy Hotels, Protea Hotels and participating resorts”. That is confusing me totally. What is true now? Link to their website where the information is published:
https://members.marriott.com/faq/#is-complimentary-breakfast-available-for-platinum-elite-members
Jeff Brownson
July 28, 2018
@John – Replying to both of your comments here.
From the first one –
1) They are allowing members to earn elite status in either legacy program through the end of this year. Since you will earn Platinum Preferred Guest with 100 Nights through SPG, at the end of the year that should translate to Platinum Premier Elite with Ambassador in the new program. In future years, you will need to complete the $20k spend to maintain the Ambassador benefit.
2) I am assuming that you are looking at the chart you linked to for both this and the second half of the other comment. This chart is for the Platinum Elite Welcome Gift options. The free breakfast is showing as an option at the resorts but not at the base hotels because you would have lounge access and therefore get breakfast in the lounge at those hotels already. You would not have lounge access at the Resort versions of those brands.
For Courtyard hotels, although they do not have full breakfast as a listed benefit, if you choose the amenity, you will get credit that can be used in the Courtyard Bistros. Similar F+B credits can be chosen for the amenity at AC, Moxy, and Protea hotels. They are saying at the bottom that these F+B credits, which can be used for breakfast, are new options at those brands.
As far as the welcome points, you are correct in that you will get less in equivalent points at the high end SPG hotels, going from 500 SPG (1500 Marriott) to 1000 Marriott. This is similar to the way that the SPG Amex cards will be earning only 2/3 of what they did before the merger, going from 1 SPG (3 Marriott) to 2 Marriott.
John
July 31, 2018
Thank you, Jeff!
Guru S
August 03, 2018
Thanks; very useful. One thing the post doesn’t opine on, which I’d like clarity on. I have pre-merger Lifetime Platinum status. Which of the three Platinum Elite levels will this equate to, in the new scheme of things?
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Guru
Michael McHugh
August 15, 2018
Hi Guru
SPG Lifetime Platinum and Marriott Lifetime Platinum will be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Elite per the language on the Marriott website.
Gail
August 03, 2018
I have a Ritz Carlton card which clearly states you get Gold elite status for Marriott each year after $10,000 spend. I realize that as of August my Marriott gold stays I have now will go to Platinum. But in 6 months when my card and status renews with my $10,000 spend will I be awarded the Gold as it states on the card agreement or Platinum status? The card will not be worth it to me without lounge access.
Michael McHugh
August 15, 2018
Hi Gail
The $10k spend requirement to earn Gold goes away in August. When the $10k spend requirement goes away, you will earn gold status in the new Marriott program by simply holding the card. You will need to spend $75k to earn Platinum status in the new program.
Steven Schwartz
August 03, 2018
So for those of us who earn points mainly through credit card spend, this new combined program is much worse than the SPG program with the SPG credit card. But I have a question. I am Platinum Elite with SPG, Lifetime Gold. I understand I will keep my SPG status through the end of the year. But when I check into the St Regis in November, will I still be eligible for Suite Upgrades through the end of the year or has that now changed for me? Thanks for your input and for the work you did putting this together.
Michael McHugh
August 15, 2018
Hi Steven
It is my understanding that SPG Platinums will be eligible for suite upgrades through the end of the year. I would call Marriott to confirm this. I was on the phone with them earlier today regarding a similar issue and Marriott is still unable to share all of the details of the new program. I would assume on/after August 18th, we will have more clarity on questions like this.
Mary Jane Matheny
August 03, 2018
I have 707 Marriott nights and short 158000 points which I am not worried about because I can transfer UR points to make up the shortage before the end of 2018.
I have 93 SPG nights. I am lifetime Marriott gold which I know will become platinum.
What I need to know. Will my combined night total of 800 and 2 million points give me
LTPE? That is what I am aiming for. I do not have 10 yrs of platinum, only 8.
Your thoughts?
Michael McHugh
August 15, 2018
Hi Mary Jane
As I understand it, you would qualify for LTPE if you reach the current Marriott Lifetime Platinum requirements by 12/31/18. Lifetime Platinum = 750 nights and 2 million Marriott points. The other way to reach LTPE is the Marriott/SPG combo route. If you reach a total of 750 nights and have 10+ years of Platinum status across both Marriott and SPG by 12/31/18, you will earn LTPE.
I would call Marriott to confirm this.
Jon
August 07, 2018
Jeff,
Thanks for the info. Question for you. I am a lifetime platinum with SPG. I have been platinum for 10+ years and, by the end of 2018, I expect to have about 680 lifetime nights with SPG. I have also been a Marriott Rewards member for many years and have about 80 lifetime nights. So between the 2 programs, I will have 760 lifetime nights and 10+ years as an SPG Platinum. Will that grandfather me into lifetime Premier Platinum elite, or would I need to have had 750 lifetime nights on just the Starwood side to qualify? Thanks.
Michael McHugh
August 15, 2018
Hi Jon
As I understand it, if you reach a total of 750 nights and have 10+ years of Platinum status across both Marriott and SPG by 12/31/18, you will earn Lifetime Platinum.
I would call Marriott to confirm this.
will q
August 09, 2018
Would you say now that Chase Ultimate Rewards points are more valuable than SPG?
Christine Krzyszton
August 15, 2018
My answer would be yes with a caveat. Starwood points will no longer exist after the transition as they will become Marriott points. Marriott points are worth less than Ultimate Rewards points. With that said, adding more redemption flexibility for Marriott points after the transition will increase their value but not enough to exceed the value of Ultimate Rewards Points.
Janie
August 19, 2018
I am a Million Miller with United Airlines which allowed me to become a Marriot Elite Gold (Now Platinum ) for a couple of years. Million Miller status with United Airlines translates to United Gold for life. Does this mean I will be a lifetime Platinum with Marriott?!
Christine Krzyszton
August 19, 2018
No, unfortunately it doesn’t. The RewardsPlus program which grants reciprocal status between the Marriott/Ritz-Carlton/SPG Rewards program and United MileagePlus states that MileagePlus Premier Gold members and above receive Marriott Gold status. Marriott/Ritz-Carlton/SPG Rewards Platinum Premier Elite members and above receive complimentary Premier Silver status in the United MileagePlus program. These are the only levels of status granted in the RewardsPlus program.
CAM
March 03, 2019
Can Elite Night Credits be transferred from one BonVoy member to another?
James Larounis
March 05, 2019
Hi Cam. Unfortunately, elite nights can only remain with the person who earned them – they can’t be transferred to other folks.
SIMON SPRATT
September 29, 2022
How do we get the new Marriott Bonvoy number? We had an SPG number but it is now invalid.
Jarrod West
September 29, 2022
Hi Simon,
You’ll need to contact the Marriott customer service team for assistance with that.
Lami katchy
October 20, 2022
How do I log into my SPG account?
Christine Krzyszton
October 20, 2022
Hi Lami. The SPG loyalty program ended in 2018 and was replaced by Marriott Rewards when the 2 programs were merged.
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